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The Knight by Gene Wolfe.
The Wizard by Gene Wolfe


It is a coming of age tale.

Where the coming of age never quite happens.

A young boy from "our" world magically leaves for another world under vague circumstances. We are treated to a different reality of multiple worlds: seven with no ...

How about the dictionary:

rhythm:

1. movement or procedure with uniform or patterned recurrence of a beat, accent, or the like.
2. Music.
a. the pattern of regular or irregular pulses caused in music by the occurrence of strong and weak melodic and harmonic beats.
b. a particular form of this ...

okay, nothing?

What do you mean by rhythm?

Everything has its own rhythm?

Not what I meant.

I meant something that everybody can hear.

Unless you grew up in the 60's.

Personally, most of you guys seem deaf.

Dreary drizzle on downtown pavement
Shoes - puddle slapping across the street

There's a strong rhythm here.

But you lose it here:

Sea gulls hang as kites below grey carpet above

I don't hear it coming back.

A different rhythm?

The last two subs in traditional metrical poetry:

3. A trochee in the third foot

4. A trochee in the fourth foot

At least initially these substitutions were preceded by a caesura, a break or pause in the line. Once you realize that, there's not much difference between these subs and an inverted ...

Well, I don't hear a rhythm overall, but it seems to fall into rhythmic moments (a three or four beat strong stress kind of thing). The allure, perhaps, is the length itself but that creates its own dilemma.

To some extent, the charm has to be a feeling of honesty without being sensational ...

Well, back to business:

Substitution 3: the pyrrhic/spondee combination anywhere in the line

Shakespeare, sonnet 30





When to the ses sions of sweet si lent thought

S-u, u-S, u-u, S-S , u-S


Here we have a trochaic sub. in foot 1 and a pyrrhic/spondee in feet 3 and 4.

But he's got another ...

Substitution 2: the inverted first foot

S-u , u-S, u-S, u-S, u-S

Substitution 3: the pyrrhic/spondee combination anywhere in the line

u-S, u-S, u-u, S-S , u-S*

Rereading the first post, I laughed at myself for starting with such an obvious point. Yet, my overall view is that they are not simply ...

There are no rules.

I start with that sentence to remind you that everything I'm trying to explain in these threads is based on what poets do, not on what you or anybody else is supposed to do. With that said, over the years, people have offered descriptions and called them rules. Then someone ...

I quite like that one actually. It's not metrical if that's what you're asking.

The structure matches the theme: the reader feels disoriented even as the speaker talks of disorientation.

But, but . . .

is that the only kind of poem he wants to write? If so, nothing I can do about it. If not ...

There were two.

The first one began about a hundred years ago. The heroes or villains of that story were T.S. Eliot, Ezra Pound, W.C. Williams, Amy Lowell, H.D., Marianne Moore, Ford Maddox Ford and others. Feel free to add or argue that they weren't involved, it's an interesting story and one ...

If you're new to this stuff, you might want to read these a few times. If you're not, you probably will read these a few times. Don't worry if a foot or a line doesn't seem exactly iambic, or exactly 10 syllables, try to hear the rhythm and understand the meaning simultaneously. In other words, try ...

I was not being sarcastic Yejun. I am glad there are those here who can discuss these things with you.

Thanks. Um, I don't believe you. :wink:

"a man has got to know his limitations" Dirty Harry

Well done.

a MAN has GOT to KNOW his LI mi TA tions, DIR ty HAR ry

perfect.

*Note: I've edited ...

I suppose you are right about me Yejun.
I am lazy and apathetic

When did I call you either of those things? I get very confused when someone accuses me of something I didn't do.

I just want to read a poem

Me too.



I don't want to take a pop quiz whether I got it

Did I give you a pop quiz ...

Terminology break:

iamb : unstressed, stressed (u-S)

trochee : stressed, unstressed (S-u)

light iamb : unstressed, secondary stress (u-U)

heavy iamb : secondary stress, stressed (s-S)

Obviously, the light and heavy can also be used for trochees as well.

Except perhaps when the poem is in a ...