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history is the problem

Post by mnaz » April 5th, 2011, 1:26 pm

cherish your ignorance of it
nurture your contempt for it..

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Re: history is the problem

Post by short timer » April 8th, 2011, 10:35 am

History is bunk. Those who remember it are doomed to repeat it.
"You all remember," said the Controller, in his strong deep voice, "you all remember, I suppose, that beautiful and inspired saying of Our Ford's: History is bunk. History," he repeated slowly, "is bunk."


He waved his hand; and it was as though, with an invisible feather wisk, he had brushed away a little dust, and the dust was Harappa, was Ur of the Chaldees; some spider-webs, and they were Thebes and Babylon and Cnossos and Mycenae. Whisk. Whisk–and where was Odysseus, where was Job, where were Jupiter and Gotama and Jesus? Whisk–and those specks of antique dirt called Athens and Rome, Jerusalem and the Middle Kingdom–all were gone. Whisk–the place where Italy had been was empty. Whisk, the cathedrals; whisk, whisk, King Lear and the Thoughts of Pascal. Whisk, Passion; whisk, Requiem; whisk, Symphony; whisk …
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Re: history is the problem

Post by Doreen Peri » April 8th, 2011, 5:50 pm

History is revised continually. Reading about times I lived through in my daughter's history book is like reading fiction.

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Re: history is the problem

Post by mnaz » April 12th, 2011, 5:14 pm

"who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past." --george orwell, 1984

might still be the best quotation, re: history. the past doesn't exist, at least in the sense that one could go back and verify it. so... the problem comes more in who is doing the "remembering." it remains in the interests of the "top 1 percent" that history is "remembered" in certain ways (and repeated when "necessary" accordingly).

btw... love that snyder quote, jack. still kicking myself for missing an opportunity to go meet him at the big bookstore...

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Re: history is the problem

Post by stilltrucking » April 12th, 2011, 11:20 pm

Speaking of textbooks and revisions
Texas BOE Removes Jefferson From History Standard
Posted on: March 12, 2010 12:09 PM, by Ed Brayton

The Texas Freedom Network continues to live blog the Texas State Board of Education hearings where the collection of ignorant dolts on that board debate and amend the social studies standards. And it's getting downright surreal. They actually removed Thomas Jefferson and the Enlightenment from the history standards. Seriously.



http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2010 ... son_fr.php


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Re: history is the problem

Post by jimboloco » April 16th, 2011, 11:10 pm

speaking of scriptures versus history
they seem to be mutually opposed
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Re: history is the problem

Post by Steve Plonk » April 21st, 2011, 11:23 pm

Most of all, perhaps, we need intimate knowledge of the past. Not that the past has any magic about it, but because we cannot study the future, and yet need something to set against the present, to remind us that the basic
assumptions have been quite different in different periods and that much
which seems certain to the uneducated is merely temporary fashion . . the
scholar has lived in many times and is therefore in some degree immune from
the great cataract of nonsense that pours from the press and the microphone
of his own age.
C.S. Lewis
"Learning in War-Time
in The Weight of Glory",
Grand Rapids, Ml, Eerdmans Publishing Co., 50-51

Get out an updated history book and compare it to the one you had in school.
Much has happened since that time, no matter how you slice it. We all have
a selected memory of what "really happened"! So I cannot discount my own personal history for fear of going through these things twice...Boo yah!

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Re: history is the problem

Post by mnaz » April 26th, 2011, 3:46 pm

exactly. "updated" history books. and... "customized" history screens... since fewer and fewer of us read books, it would seem (myself included).

it's no sot much in the learning from mistakes, which is a natural process, but in the continual impetus to repeat them.

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Re: history is the problem

Post by jimboloco » May 12th, 2011, 2:55 am

History is unfolding/ I am afraid of the impending rage against everything progressive and rational,; the next election cycle should be very interesting. I am so afraid that Fux News will rue the day. Crazy undercurrent of right wing crap.
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Re: history is the problem

Post by mnaz » June 10th, 2011, 12:14 pm

history has given us thousands of years of us fighting us to further the greed-based interests the top 1% and/or "god." it has given us the myth of courage, the sanctity of barbarism and obscenity, the sacredness of intellectual, spiritual and physical poverty. nothing we could not afford to lose.

but i'm not telling anyone anything they didn't already know.

and i tend to be a "glass half-empty" sorta guy sometimes . . .

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Re: history is the problem

Post by Steve Plonk » June 10th, 2011, 12:30 pm

Poor Mnaz, don't you know that the glass is half-full? :)

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Re: history is the problem

Post by one of those jerks » June 10th, 2011, 1:11 pm

that's right
if you want wind up on the right side of history
keep your tank full. :P
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Re: history is the problem

Post by mnaz » June 10th, 2011, 2:41 pm

you can trust your car
to the man who wears the star..
put a tiger in your tank
finger on the button
g-d on a cell phone
red under every bed
code red, code red!
send the youngun's
repeat ! repeat !
code! red!
red!!

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Re: history is the problem

Post by mnaz » April 11th, 2014, 8:59 pm

god bless the specter of hitler. he's lurking everywhere out there.

the imperial warmonger's best friend. sure has been a great asset and impetus for strong policy-making. you know, going out there to "protect our freedom" ....

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Re: history is the problem

Post by stilltrucking » April 11th, 2014, 11:03 pm

code red
commies to the left of us
commies to the right
where is the house unamerican activities committee now that we really need them

war mongers of every stripe,
catch the hype
do your patriotic duty
cause Uncle Sam and the Oil companies
need your blood is thicker than crude


History is the problem
it is never past
Stalin's specter walks the halls of the State Department
and Hitler is over at the pentagon

'this's another fine mess you got us into" mr oliver said to mr hardy

shit don't mind me mark
lions and tigers and bears
gallows humor that's all i got :(

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