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Here are the Articles of Impeachment.

It's too late to impeach Bush but these are all crimes so he should be held accountable.

To allow both Bush and Cheney to be above the law would be a terrible mistake.

stilltrucking

At this point I have nothing but pity for you

Yeh, I know, it's a pity to hold the Bush crime family to the same standards we hold other crime families by.
I don't see where there's a basis for an argument.
Bush commits felonies - Bush get's charged with felonies.
What's so complicated?
Am I missing something?

It is a long trip to tell you what you are missing. Bush is not going anywhere. No matter what you think of Obama I think he is a pretty smart politician. I think he has the priorites straight.

There are many ongoing congressional investigations of Bush and Chaney. are you aware of that?

Just curious did you vote?

tonyc wrote: So, what you're saying is everyone should be held accountabe for their crimes except Bush and his gang of pirates.....

Nope, that's not what I'm saying, as well you know, but if we throw in the truth, then where do you go?



My grandad used to tell me, if you have to make something up, to win an argument, then you've lost the argument already...

stilltrucking

Bush is not going anywhere.

I think he knew that all along, that's why he pissed on the Constitution and shit on the Bill Of Rights.
Saddam was in the same frame of mind, he's a king and above all laws.

Just curious did you vote?

Of course, don't know if it was counted though.
I still think those elections where hijacked.
How in the hell could Bush be reelected when he blew the debates, got caught red handed lying about wmd's and had the worst popularity rating in history.
I don't know of a single person who voted for him, something dam fishy going on.

doreen peri wrote:Bush should have been impeached years ago.

I think a lot more people would agree with that position, yes, beyond doubt, I think there were at least reasonable grounds to bring an impeachment hearing against Bush.

I don't think anyone is denying Bush's misdeeds, but... this is where it gets interesting, I do think that a lot of people are denying their own misdeeds.

It's easy to blame Bush for all the sins in the world right now, but a lot harder for many people to accept responsability for their own sins.

That's scapegoating, and it's what leads to many of the other sins in the world, with I think 1930's Germany as the greatest example of scapegoating gone wrong.

I touched on this in one of my other posts, when I talked about the straight jacket of modern society too, and the fact is that this thread is a prime example of the politically correct double speak that is actually damaging the next generation, by burying the truth, under an avalanche of PC talk.

Repeatedly, in this thread, if someone holds a divergent opinion, they are a "Neo-con" or "Bush lover", despite everyone indicating they quite clearly aren't.

It's like those conversations, where two people have a differing opinion on immigration, and one turns to the other, and calls him a "racist" because his view isn't the same as the others.

Or you're "homophobic" because you wanted Mickey Rourke to get an oscar, rather than Sean Penn, for his part in Milk.

It's very offensive talk, and deliberately dishonest.

I abhor it.

& then you have the statute of limitations, for example, in Canada, the period is six months from the date of the offense which includes thefts under $5000.

Thus, for instance, a Canadian can be charged only with an "indecent act" within six months of the time of offense, unless both the Crown and the defense agree.

How long do you chase the past for?

Where do we stop?

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, William Henry Harrison, John Tyler, James K. Polk, Zachary Taylor, Andrew Johnson, and Ulysses S. Grant all owned slaves.

Should we dig them all up, and prosecute them?

Theodore Roosevelt?

Well what can I say?

Here is a man who in The Winning of the West (1889–1896), declared there was a racial struggle between "civilization" (white, especially Germanic peoples) and savagery (of people of color, i.e., Native American Indians).

An obvious racist, so let's dig him up too!

Woodrow Wilson?

Well, there's already a thread on him, had we shot him, would there have been a World War 2?

Let's dig him up!

Herbert Hoover?

Words speak for themselves...

"We in America today are nearer to the final triumph over poverty than ever before in the history of any land."

Within months, the Stock Market Crash of 1929 occurred, and the nation's economy spiraled downward into what became known as the Great Depression.

Another one to put before the firing squad!

Richard Nixon?

Well, he got off light, in '74, so we should drag him back for further retribution.

And while we're lining up them Presidents, let's not forget, Carter, Regean, Bush sr, and Clinton!

Not a Saint amongst them!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Bush deserves a Presidential pardon, a pat on the back, and that we should all forget what happened.

As stilltrucking points out, there are still many ongoing congressional investigations into Bush and Chenney, so who knows yet, what the future will bring.

But it is important not to get to focused on the past, and not to end up just scapegoating, instead of taking responsability for our own actions, and that's what a lot of people are doing.

If we can blame the jews, I mean Nazis, sorry, I meant 12 foot lizard people, ooops, the Freemasons, I mean Bush (damn, got it at last!), for everything, then we don't have to worry about what we did, or what we're doing today.

When it reaches that stage it just becomes a negative thing.

No one in this thread is saying that Bush is a jolly good fellow, or that we should all just forget what he did, but I think some people are seeing a little more of the shading in the picture, than others, and saying this should be about healing America, not just a hate party.

I didn't say people shouldn't be responsible for their own actions.

Everybody should.

The people you listed who owned slaves owned them prior to the abolition of slavery, no? What law did they break?

I also didn't say that digging dead people up and trying them for crimes would be a wise thing to do.

You are a very articulate and bright young man, XPress, but sometimes you say things that are a little ridiculous. I mean, maybe that's your point to point out how ridiculous it would be but it really doesn't do much to advance your argument that we should let Bush slide.

I totally agree with you, btw, about your comments about homophobia, etc .. that whole paragraph.

doreen peri wrote: You are a very articulate and bright young man, XPress, but sometimes you say things that are a little ridiculous.

Mooning the world is a privelege of youth

I'm young, it's my job to be shocking, and ridiculous

heh... ok..

i'm old so since i've been around so long i don't shock very easy... experience yanno?

keep up the good work! a sense of the ridiculous is fun!

XPress

this should be about healing America, not just a hate party.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?
Maybe we could "heal" and uphold the laws at the same time. (multi task)
Why is it when it comes to holding Bush responsible for his crimes it's "hate"
When it comes to Saddam or Bin Laden it's "justice"
I think the days of playing the American public for dam fools is over.
Yes we can chew gum and walk at the same time, now let's put Bush in jail where he belongs.

tonyc wrote:XPress

and saying this should be about healing America, not just a hate party.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

Just about everything, and if you can't see the difference...

Why is it when it comes to holding Bush responsible for his crimes it's "hate"
When it comes to Saddam or Bin Laden it's "justice"

Is it ever that way?

I mean in the real world, not in the "putting words in other people mouths" world.

Not in the world where everyone who disagrees with you is a damn neo-con, or a Bush lover, who should be rounded up and jailed.

I just read the whole thread again, and you know what, I can't see where a single person ever said "when it comes to holding Bush responsible for his crimes it's "hate", when it comes to Saddam or Bin Laden it's "justice""

Nor can I find anywhere where it's implied, either. Just like I can't see where anyone said "I love Bush", but some how we became Bush lovers, too...

I quite like Rourke in the Wrestler, am I a homphobe too, or perhaps I'm a racist, because I don't agree with you, and do I beat the wife I've never had, because of these opinions, also?

So what's me saying "...this should be about healing America, not just a hate party?" have to do with anything?

Well, that can be read in your every post, in the vitriol, in the insults, and in the attacks.

I'm 19 years old, in 2004 I was 14, in 2000 I was 10, so did I ever vote for, or support Bush?

I've said in this thread, and I quote "I was never a fan of the Bush family", "Yes, Bush was an odious man, and he did a lot of things that are quite inexcusable", "I think there were at least reasonable grounds to bring an impeachment hearing against Bush.", "I don't think anyone is denying Bush's misdeeds" & "No one in this thread is saying that Bush is a jolly good fellow, or that we should all just forget what he did"

Yet something blinds you so much, you see me as a Bush lover, a neo-con, someone to insult, and someone who deserves to have his words twisted, to say something they do not.

What would it be that blinds you so?

Would that be hate?

You're so determined to "get" Bush, that you can't see how rude, insulting, and hate filled you're becoming, blaming everyone, and everything, that doesn't agree with your narrow train of thought, and suggesting that we should all be arrested.

& yes, that's what you said, you called stilltrucking a Bush lover, and a Bush worshipper, and then screamed "jail Bush and his angry worshippers".

Is it not blind hate, when you're calling for people, who say such things as "I think there were at least reasonable grounds to bring an impeachment hearing against Bush." to be jailed for being extremists?

That's not healing America, that's turning it into an intolerant dictatorship.

That's what that has to do with anything.

XPress

I can't see where a single person ever said "when it comes to holding Bush responsible for his crimes it's "hate", when it comes to Saddam or Bin Laden it's "justice""

Then you're blind and can't read, it's exactly what you and your buddy have been insinuating and you know it.

am I a homphobe too, or perhaps I'm a racist, because I don't agree with you, and do I beat the wife I've never had, because of these opinions, also?

Seems to me it's you and your buddy telling people to "fuck off", name calling and getting mad.
I never called or insinuated you where anything, why are you so sensitive about these issues?..hmmmm a freudian slip huh?
Try as you will, you will never spin, lie or twist my words to fit your agenda.

Well, that can be read in your every post, in the vitriol, in the insults, and in the attacks

That's an outright lie, shame on you little boy.
Didn't hear you complain when your buddy told me to get fucked or any other of the slander.
Typical Bush worshipper, when all else fails, resort to lies and attack the messenger...an old worn out statedgy.
So after all of the lies, spin, pity partys, personal attacks and outright bullshit....we all agree that Bush and his gang of money grabbing liars should be rounded up and imprisoned.
America and the world deserves justice, jail the pirates..

Woah!

you think XPress is a Bush lover, Tony?

Where in the heck did you get that idea?

And stilltrucking, too?

You're really reading between the lines.

Geez

Never said either one of them was anything, if the term applies then that's their problem.
I was stating the strategies and tactics of Bush and his followers, they applied them to themselves, I won't argue with them.
It was these guys who called me a hate mongering neo nazi and told me to fuck off, now they even have the gull to bring personal attacks into this conversation, incredible!!
Like I said, these are the tactics of Bush worshippers, you do the math.
I could really care who says what, it's a free country, I'm a big boy, I can handle myself. It just amuses me that the people who used personal attacks, try to reverse it on me.
Jail Bush and his nutcase worshippers!!!

yes you did.. you said this

Didn't hear you complain when your buddy told me to get fucked or any other of the slander.
Typical Bush worshipper, when all else fails, resort to lies and attack the messenger...an old worn out statedgy.

That's calling them both Bush worshippers. *shrug*.. that's what it says!

I missed the fuck off part. I didn't see the hate mongering neo nazi part either. I thought I read this whole thread.

hmmm... strange